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Author:  blazen69 [ Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:01 am ]
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I am generally a laid back guy and i don't get worked up
too often,but sometimes i feel like there are no people
with real skills anymore.Seems like everyone is self-taught,
and nobody seems to think that actual training is necessary
anymore.Everyone has some bullshit job title to make
themselves look important, yet they don't have anything real
to offer.I don't know if this is a North American thing, or if this
is the case in the UK as well, but it annoys the hell out of me
sometimes.Everyone is a consultant, our expert of some sort
lately.:puker: :puker: :puker:
Those titles are like fingernails on the blackboard to me.

Btw,this section was a smart idea.Feels good to vent.

Author:  Steve Lane [ Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:06 pm ]
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I see this quite a lot here in the UK, as I work in the technical support department for a local software company. Some of the people I have to talk to have incredible sounding titles, but the lack of knowledge of some of them is astounding to the point of disbelief.

I am assuming that some of these titles come with a fat pay cheque as well. Perhaps I need my lowly title of 'support engineer' upgraded (senior technical consultant?) and learn less; hmmmm maybe I will get paid more :?

Cheers, Steve.

Author:  Alan Noir [ Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:15 pm ]
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My old man is a coachbuilder, they were probably the most highly skilled tradesmen back in the day. It's all dying away now though, sad really. Apparently 'drywall' counts as a trade over the pond.

Author:  loftyeric2 [ Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:44 am ]
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Seems to me no one wants to learn anything properly these days. No apprenticeships to learn the minutiae of your craft. Any old crap will do. near enough is good enough. Nothing gets repaired, just chuck it away & buy a new one. There are craftsmen & women, but you do have to search for them :evil: erm, raw nerve there :oops:

Author:  blazen69 [ Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:49 am ]
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I think the main problem is that we live in a culture of
laziness.We are force fed those shallow reality tv shows,
that promise instant fame or fortune.Why work for it when
you can get it overnight?Except it doesn't actually work that
way.They usually end up getting chewed up and spit out in the
end.
It's like my grandfather used to say,anything worth doing
is hard work.I also have many tradespeople in my family.My
old man is a plumber, and 75% of his work comes from fixing
other plumbers screw ups.I find that allot of people don't care
about quality nowadays.
It's not all bad though.After all, were here because we like
Mr.H's music, which is the antithesis of all that.
I'm done with my moaning now.:oops:

Author:  Shambolic Charm [ Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:38 pm ]
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I was shocked a while back when a builder said to me he couldn't put plasterboard inbetween the rafters in my garage/studio and that I would have to have a ceiling instead because "builders only work in straight lines these days" .......what!!! :shock:

Author:  loftyeric2 [ Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:30 pm ]
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Oh yes, I can believe it. My house is 19th century (just) and it has no standard anythings. A carpenter once said ''I don't know what we'd do if this door needed replacing - it's not standard''. Erm, make one to fit? Like the last bloke did - it was only put in in the 1980's! :roll:

Author:  Poppy Dog [ Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:22 pm ]
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Builders - if you find an honest one - do your best to keep him / her...

The one I used a while back for a house extension ended up with proceedings that took a year to get to court - a CCJ lodged against him that was agreed to be paid back over six months - eventually over a year later it was paid off - and I was lucky.

A whole load of CCJs are awarded against builders and not many of them get paid off - the claimaints get no support unless a professional is employed at cost and many give up before court or before full payment of any award is made...

Author:  the boy hoy [ Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:22 pm ]
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i found at Aviva that the titles they gave positions were hillarious,

claims consultant - phone monkey

claims development consultant - helper for phone monkeys

i think the more stupid the title didn't really mean you were the most knowledgable for the job but sucked ass the best.

Author:  Helenaka [ Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:18 am ]
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blazen69 wrote:
I think the main problem is that we live in a culture of
laziness.We are force fed those shallow reality tv shows,
that promise instant fame or fortune.Why work for it when
you can get it overnight?Except it doesn't actually work that
way.They usually end up getting chewed up and spit out in the
end.
It's like my grandfather used to say,anything worth doing
is hard work.I also have many tradespeople in my family.My
old man is a plumber, and 75% of his work comes from fixing
other plumbers screw ups.I find that allot of people don't care
about quality nowadays.
It's not all bad though.After all, were here because we like
Mr.H's music, which is the antithesis of all that.
I'm done with my moaning now.:oops:


I know what you mean! No one is encouraged to work at their craft these days.

Problem with this country is short termism. Very few companies want to train people properly, because they know at the end of training the employee will look for a better paid job, so they just don't want to invest the money in the worker. The German apprenticeship system seems to work well though, or at least did in the 90's.

I do think that the Government should introduce a really comprehensive technology policy to make sure that there is a diffusion of skills throughout industry. If more companies offered training programmes (it would help solve the problem I mentioned above) and received incentives for offering them, it could only benefit industry.

Banks are short term in their outlook too. They would rather give a business an overdraft than a loan, then they can call in the repayment of the overdraft far quicker than a loan. In Japan, banks will actually buy shares in a business they loan to and sit on their board's, thus taking a much longer term approach and taking an interest in the long term success of a business.

Oops! :oops: Gone on a bit! This is a bit of a pet subject of mine, as I devoted a lot of my degree to this area. :oops:

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