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Nice to hear Richard lending support. I know travellers and Gypsies divide opinion but the Gypsy idea is that you don't use hospitals, schools, libraries etc. so you don't pay taxes. It's a different lifestyle but I think it's important to preserve and respect it.

There is a very small element of the Gypsy community that seem like nasty pieces of work. Drug dealing, stealing, fighting (I've experienced all of that first hand from them). But I think it's important that people don't use that image to discriminate against the entire community.

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I can see both sides of this. I think it really should have been sorted out - one way or the other - way before it got to the huge, out of all proportion situation it's in now. It ssems to me the council have mismanaged things terribly. And of course, if proper channels were gone through by the travellers, originally, it wouldn't have come to this. Can't see that removing people by force is going to have a good outcome though.

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I don't know about that. I'm pretty sure they pay a certain amount of rent for the sites they stay on and electricity and water is probably factored in to that. I met someone who ran a Gypsy campsite once and he said rent collection can be a bit dicey.

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I didn't know about this at all and just read through some pages from Swiss TV, BBC, Guardian etc.

Here in Germany, some cities face problems with Roma (mostly) travellers (or more like: refugees) from the Balkans. There have been lots of cases, where a couple or small family rented a flat, which was inhabitated by a dozen or more of further relatives only shortly thereafter. Didn't and doesn't work at all with the neighbours - too many people, too much noise, too much waste. But this here "housing structure" also doesn't really work for the needs of the Roma, whose simple motivation for moving here is trying to find better chances for their children and themselves, a better living, work. Can't blame anyone for that. But as most of them are not able to communicate in our language, it is very hard to avoid the growth of parallel societies instead of an integrated community with a different cultural background, that can be respected and supported. There is a lot of constructive work to be done, and fast.

In this light, I think that Dale Farm is not only a different cup of tea. To me it looks like expelling those people from their home - as far as I understood: they paid for it - without giving them a new site that pays tribute to their cultural heritage (which is not just a life-style) is wasting a chance. I am convinced, if we go on isolating or knocking down communities in this way, ours (where or whatever it is) will be next.

Legal bollocks, as Richard said. The confrontational policy of the Basildon Council imho not only marks them as dimwits, but is dangerous to say the least. And it features the obligatory double standard, too:



I hope the injunction can calm the situation down and that a proper alternative site can be found.


btw: Looks like this is my longest rant in seven years of Hawleyboard membership. Probably triggered by the memory of an article I once wrote abot the fate of a young mother and her two daughters, Roma from Kosovo, who were forced by the authorities to return to their alleged "home" after more than ten years living a normal mid-european life in a suburb of my hometown, where the children went to school. They ended up in a small one-room hut in a refugee camp, no mod cons whatever, no schooling, nothing. :evil:

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