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It's like a film and every day reveals some new plot and twist in the story. What it makes very clear is what many of us have believed for such a long time - that politicians are terrified of the influence and tactics of the Murdoch regime and that has had a detrimental impact on the governance of this country. Certainly the Labour Party, ever since the villification of Neil Kinnock, has shut it's mouth and done what Murdoch wanted and of course the Torys are only too happy to oblige. Perhaps we might see a rethink on the villification of the BBC in all this too. The Murdoch view of the BBC has been the accepted wisdom of late and despite its own flaws there is much to be said for it's professionalism and skill in presenting wide ranging coverage of all manner of subjects with large and small audiences.

The police have illustrated once again that they shouldn't be allowed to investigate themselves as they are clearly incapable of investigating the real multi millionairre crooks in our midst. The gravy boat approach to the administration of the state at the top end of the scale has to end and we need to restore some values of service above profit, with standards of behaviour that apply to all. I have often been presented with a bottle of wine or some other small gift out of gratitude for my work by individuals not trying to curry favour or influence me in any way but have had to declare these even if declined which I do now because I've had things taken for the Mayor's charity (not always one I agree with). I know I have to behave within guidelines so how a senior policeman thinks he can swan about in the gift of media moguls beggars belief.

I am seriously pissed off with folk like Gordon Brown and John Prescott though - squealing now yet when they were in power they did fuck all.

So we've had the banks, the MPs, the media and the police showing they are corrupt......how is it that it's the rest of us losing jobs, having pay cut and being told we have to tighten ouir belts? We are all in this together..shame we didn't get to share in the luxury of the pigs at the trough isn't it? Or maybe not, perhaps "broken Britain" is just the perception of folk who smell the shit they have created evry day and the rest of us still have some sense of dignity and genuine warmth for our fellow human beings.

Who starts these threads making me rant?? :*:


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sorry mate :roll:

I agree with what your saying,another thing that has made me deeply suspicious is the way the media have manipulated this pensions thing by setting public sector workers against private sector workers over pensions,that most definately has a hidden agenda behind it,its such a load of nonsense my Mum worked as a Nurse for 99% of her working life and has been left with bugger all,so much for solid gold pensions.I just hope and pray that some good will come out of all this,the politicians,the police in part and the media can't afford to drop the ball over this,they've been exposed for what they really are now so all our suspicions and gut feelings have been proven to be right,my Dad and a lot of his mates used to tell me Murdoch was bent all those years ago and i have always been wary,i've never got Sky TV despite the naggings of my football mental sons and i have NEVER bought any of those papers,not from a sense of moral indignation just purely cos i don't agree with their politics


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let's face it, it's all about capitalism.

the murdochs head a huge multinational corporation and will eat anything in their path.

that's capitalism. don't expect them to do anything else and you won't get disappointed.
don't be so innocent; to imagine them behaving any other way would leave us guilty of wilful ignorance also !

as for labour doing nothing about them. . . . . look what happened to michael foot when he went up against them, look what happened to neil kinnock when he went up against them.
realpolitik is what's going on here. if you go up against them, the likely outcome is that you will lose and you will not be in a position to implement ANY of your policies. so you have to live with them.

both the police and the politicians have been in the position where they will be crucified in murdoch's press if they go against him.

still, we have something of a free press and the guardian don't like murdoch, and they've got something on him and fortunately they kept on at it until they got him.

it's the fact that murdoch's dislike of the bbc taking up opportunities he wants to make profit from, (see james murdoch's lecture in endinburgh two years ago) chiming with the tories dislike of the state, which makes them particularly comfortable bedfellows.

the tories (and indeed, the liberals) are arch capitalists and as i've said before, they hate the state, and love capitalist enterprise (profit by any means possible). this is what fires the tory press to set private against public sector workers.

it stems from the issue that murdoch owns too many media outlets, but be careful what you wish for. if he has to sell some of them, we may end up with even further to the right press.

as disgraceful as this all is (let's not forget it was thatcher who let him build the first big pillar of his empire when she didn't refer his purchase of the times to the monopolies commission), we are still fortunate to have enough freedom for the press to bring a bully like murdoch down. we are in a democracy and this is part of it in action.

it's at times like this though, that i lean more and more towards guy debord and his pals in situationist international as the only sane response.

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further analysis here


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Thought it was all a bit wrong and you've proved it thank you maggie and beaux xx


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