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Assistant to the ambassador to the Maldives. This is your new boss:

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a recent family holiday?

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Assistant to the ambassador to the Maldives. This is your new boss:

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a recent family holiday?


Cheetah hung his head in shame, but Tarzan did have to admit when you’ve been hammering the guest’s pimms Google for pizza could be mistaken for gargle with piss!!!

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interesting response to undies...

I like undies... wont be buying them second hand tho...

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Since we're on the subject of labels what do posters think about "sub cultures". The "youth of today" have emo and chav and skater but what about punks and rockabilly, Psychobilly and Mods.

What differentiated a mod from a punk and why?

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Yeah my mum was a union secretary when I was a kid.
Some poor guy went to her following an incident involving Paraquat, she got involved with the local council..fighting to get them to provide protective clothing for the poor buggers that had to deal with such a shitty product............I remember her getting all fired up and emotional about it.......
My mum was always reading us bits from 'The ragged trousered Philanthropists'........but I was such a dopey kid it all went over my head..........real passionate woman my mum.


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when was the last time you saw someone with MATALAN emblazoned across their tits?


I was going to launch a designer label called Matt Allen years ago in my days as counter culture corporate terrorist - then I woke up...

It's all bollocks - and we all subscribe to it to some extent...

Bring back the Tank Top...


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when was the last time you saw someone with MATALAN emblazoned across their tits?


I was going to launch a designer label called Matt Allen years ago in my days as counter culture corporate terrorist - then I woke up...

It's all bollocks - and we all subscribe to it to some extent...

Bring back the Tank Top...


I think its the "to some extent" I'm interested in. What is it that makes some people become completely overtaken with the identification with a particular sub culture or label?

I mean I own some North Face stuff, I bought it because it is good when you want something which is functional. I regard it as utilitarian.

Is it any better than cheaper brands?....I believe so, better in the sense that its colour way and styling is more attractive.

So in a sense I'm choosing it because it's aesthetically more desirable which is to me fine.

I'm not talking about such straightforward choices. I'm talking about an almost pathological need for a designer label.

I've done some work with young offenders and I've actually come across prisoners who have come into possession of a Reebok label which has been cut off another garment and safety pinned it to prison clothing.

In this context its as though the label itself carried some sort of status which was completely immune from the objections of reason about its being safety pinned on!

It told me a lot about the effects of materialism on the most vulnerable in society. For most of us a label is a bit irrelevant or even silly. But for people whose sense of self is so shaky that a pair of trainers or a piece of cloth acts as a reason to feel relevant it could potentially be a reason to kill.

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Since we're on the subject of labels what do posters think about "sub cultures". The "youth of today" have emo and chav and skater but what about punks and rockabilly, Psychobilly and Mods.

What differentiated a mod from a punk and why?


I've never known what to make of it all really. On the one hand I think it's great. Teenagers finding an identity, having a style to link with a type of music, making friendships with other folk & enjoying their youth. On the other hand it all goes a bit stupid when everyone starts fighting because one lot don't conform with another lot, like warring tribes, which shouldn't have a place in a civilised world. Of course I'm the wrong person to comment really, never having subscribed to any of it, and gone my own way......OK, I'm an eccentric :*:

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Yeah my mum was a union secretary when I was a kid.
Some poor guy went to her following an incident involving Paraquat, she got involved with the local council..fighting to get them to provide protective clothing for the poor buggers that had to deal with such a shitty product............I remember her getting all fired up and emotional about it.......
My mum was always reading us bits from 'The ragged trousered Philanthropists'........but I was such a dopey kid it all went over my head..........real passionate woman my mum.



That’s my point exactly! It wasn't so long ago that people had unions to represent their grievances at work in a robust way. People felt the value and the effectiveness of having that kind of arbitration on hand.

If you feel aggrieved but their is no method of redress the chances are you will deny your discomfort or sublimate it in some way.

I believe that this is what is what is happening to us en mass. We are unrepresented and disenfranchised to such a degree that our experiences of democracy are made increasingly less direct. With no direct experience of protection we are powerless in the face of an increasingly remote and dictatorial government.

Democracy isn't just about "inclusion agendas" which promote lip service gentrification of inalienable human rights, its about real and direct accessible participatory government. And that starts with rights for the powerless as a prerequisite for social justice.

Sorry I am ranting, but our ancestors fought for our rights and I feel like our generation is dropping the ball in a massive way.

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Winston Smith wrote:
Since we're on the subject of labels what do posters think about "sub cultures". The "youth of today" have emo and chav and skater but what about punks and rockabilly, Psychobilly and Mods.

What differentiated a mod from a punk and why?


I've never known what to make of it all really. On the one hand I think it's great. Teenagers finding an identity, having a style to link with a type of music, making friendships with other folk & enjoying their youth. On the other hand it all goes a bit stupid when everyone starts fighting because one lot don't conform with another lot, like warring tribes, which shouldn't have a place in a civilised world. Of course I'm the wrong person to comment really, never having subscribed to any of it, and gone my own way......OK, I'm an eccentric :*:



I suppose your right... to be an individual you inevitably come to feel like an eccentric. That’s what interests me if I'm honest. Do people find "themselves" in a sub culture or do they conform to a external locus of control?

I personally believe its the latter. I mean take Punk as an example. Started off with a few eccentrics doing their own thing.

A statement of alienation from a repressive commoditised society. For me, all well and good, creativity finding its way. Fast forward six months and we have tartan bondage trousers on the Kings road twelve months and you have Sex Pistols t shirts in the freeman’s catalogue!!

People jumping on the band wagon! Which is then about conformity to the external locus.

As soon as punk became punk it had the seed of it's own demise inherent within it!

Or go back to the sixties with the Mods. The birth of mass market commercialism, advertising and the aspirant desire to be "more sophisticated" all generated in some boardroom as the scope of marketing embraced the American corporate mindset.

How free are we? How controlled are we?

And why are we surrendering our valuing of intrinsic human worth to an external locus of control which makes the irrelevant seem essential?

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And why are we surrendering our valuing of intrinsic human worth to an external locus of control which makes the irrelevant seem essential?


....and why do blue fish wear trombones in their ears for go-karting practice??


You've totally fucking lost me now! :eh?

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And why are we surrendering our valuing of intrinsic human worth to an external locus of control which makes the irrelevant seem essential?


....and why do blue fish wear trombones in their ears for go-karting practice??


You've totally fucking lost me now! :eh?


Just that life is either about love and relationships or its about an endless cycle of replacing the feeling and warmth with the symbolic replacement of a big car and a flash house. To be so externally validated is to me, to have a hole inside which is never filled by what they are trying to fill it with, its the reason why wealthy people are never satisfied with enough. Its not about the money its about the power and the control having lost the inner sense of what contentment actually is.

Why do people dress themselves in designer labels which is an attempt to "appear" to be wealthy and successful but actually advertises their lack of real personal happiness and self worth?

Why have kids more material possessions than they have ever had and their mental health in such bad shape? I believe its because they are now targets for consumerism in a way which is a modern phenomena. Time spent with mum or dad doing family things has been replaced by a new pair of trainers to symbolise love, because mum and dad are too knackered to think let alone anything else.

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don't act so innocent.

we live in a materialist and capitalist society. don't be surprised that lots of people subscribe to it wholeheartedly. it's seductive.

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